Pagan Centered Podcast – Episode 33 – A Serious Response to Hate Mail

2010
01.07

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2:55 We finally got our first piece of actual hate MAIL!
5:12 Reading of the hate mail
10:30 Terms and conditions of the submission of hate mail
11:23 Freedom of speech vs. Slander/Lible
12:45 Jason’s rebuttal as an outsider to the situation
15:30 Invitations were previously sent to Mystics Cove Pagan Network and Clarion Area Pagan Association for being on the show, without response.
16:45 PCP’s purpose isn’t solely to promote hate. What is the purpose of the show?
17:28 Typical Pagan group environments vs. the PCP environment
18:20 Great to hear that Pagans don’t need to be all happy all the time, others are following our example.
18:57 PCP is not a show that should be taken excessively seriously
19:36 The Pagan community has issues it needs to overcome, there’s different methods of coping with these issues.
21:14 “Climb down off that cross, build a bridge and get over it!”
22:45 Even if you live in fundieville, you, as a Pagan, should have rights.
23:00 Churches should serve the community
24:02 Congregation that is always moving, church as the people rather than a building
24:58 Christian Pastors believe we are on the wrong path, but that doesn’t mean they want to throw things at us.
25:16 To gain acceptance: start small, grow big
25:45 Pagans and Christians living together in a college dorm setting
26:22 Pagans and Christians do not have to hate each other, but think twice about how much a community really knows about your beliefs before publicizing events in the newspaper.
26:50 Fundamentalist communities need an adjustment period before Pagans can be tolerated
27:30 You don’t need to accept everything, just tolerate it.
27:45 How to deal with the Jesus Saves stuff
28:40 Pagans need to tolerate if they want to be tolerated
28:50 Many little changes can lead to a big change
23:35 The response was overdone for what it was in response to and shows being irate rather than logical and inattentiveness.
30:29 Amber’s experience at one of MCPN’s Beltane ritual
31:24 Why did it take so long to get a response?
32:10 Point-by-point rebuttals
32:22 Everything is hearsay because Mystics Cove Pagan Network wanted it that way
33:14 Why Dave will be use the term Fundieville to describe New Bethlehem
33:55 Pagan stuff tends to burst into flames in Fundieville
35:25 Children in ritual, Dave has issues with immaturity rather than age
36:59 Amber’s view on children in ritual performing high magic
37:22 Mundane tasks in ritual is insulting
37:40 High magic markers
38:04 Being a parent doesn’t automatically establish a parental bond, it’s arrogant to assume that’s a fact of nature
38:28 Who said we hate kids?
38:42 Parents ARE appalled about children being involved in high magic in ritual
39:14 The rogue energy of children can overpower adults
39:37 Elder is just a title, it doesn’t imply anything about metaphysical ability
39:44 Kym’s view that subjecting Pagan children to religious violence is a stupid idea.
40:19 Poor decisions of the mother to introducing children to danger.
40:40 Let children roam around the inner city, where there’s gang violence. Play in traffic. It’s okay, because the parent is there!
41:15 Religion and spirituality are not to be taken lightly, especially with regards to children.
41:40 Children and High Magic, ritual at campus where one child was playing
42:32 There’s a reason 5 year old shamans are uncommon
42:54 Separate circle for children, not in an adult circle where their innocence can be stripped.
43:31 It’s about showing proper respect to the deities you SERVE
43:58 Never underestimate the power of children.
44:28 The fool that believes his cannot be broken into is the fool who gets robbed while he sleeps.
45:20 Lack of maturity in the email we received. Why are these people respecting a juvenile?
46:00 Shielding is like wearing a seat belt, in most cases it makes no difference, but it’s still a precaution worthy of being done.
47:00 How people cry about blazing a path for others.
47:39 Forcing things open in a child by putting them into ritual, being open as a child is scary.
48:23 Energy raping a child
49:00 Using children as pawns and forcing them down a path
49:35 Kym, a veteran, is offended that they’re calling themselves brave and courageous
51:07 We don’t need your religious bigotry and self-righteousness to represent the rest of us.
51:42 Dave’s views on the Pagan Veterans Headstone Campaign vs. the cause they fight for. Perhaps you should stop being naive. Also look at the big organizations drop support for PVHC as well.
54:42 Just because it has “Pagan” in the name, doesn’t mean we absolutely must support it.
55:12 Big difference between having a protest in the US Capitol vs. the back woods of western Pennsylvania.
55:46 The only Pagans we ridicule are the ones that make themselves look bad, and we harp on the ones that make us all look bad.
56:00 Confidence vs. Arrogance
57:00 Getting stale eucharist at Catholic mass
57:30 What’s with the threats from Mystics Cove Pagan Network?
58:00 The martyrdom of Mystics Cove Pagan Network
59:35 The more persecuted than thou syndrome editorial Dave wrote for the Clarion town newspaper
59:55 They’re doing the same thing to us that they did to Pastor Keith, rehash of the Pastor Keith situation
1:00:47 It’s a lot easier to be a martyr when you don’t provide a method for being proven wrong
1:01:20 Specific religions have rules, whether or not people want to admit that to themselves.
1:02:25 The claim that PCP does not understand Pagan religious diversity
1:03:55 The profanity in PCP
1:04:40 What would happen if we did not have profanity in our language?
1:05:50 Would a lack of cussing actually influence the response we received?
1:06:20 Being offended by age rather than content
1:07:16 Skit
1:08:45 Discussion of the news article and using foresight when dealing with the press
1:10:42 Involvement of the PCP crew in the old Pagan group at Clarion University
1:11:20 How quickly the group went off-course when Dave was kicked out for “being too close to graduation”
1:12:00 Pagan groups are only as good as their leader(s)
1:13:22 Funding, where did those comments come from?
1:10:42 Involvement of the PCP crew in the old Pagan group at Clarion University
1:11:20 How quickly the group went off-course when Dave was kicked out for “being too close to graduation”
1:12:00 Pagan groups are only as good as their leader(s)
1:13:22 Funding, where did those comments come from?
1:13:58 We wont keep our mouths shut, we’re about candid conversation.
1:14:25 If you are going to criticize us for not getting our facts straight, you should do the same before emailing us.
1:14:50 Making mistakes at only your own expense? Nope.
1:15:30 There’s a line where letting people make their own mistakes is irresponsible
1:16:28 If people see a bad group of Pagans, it reflects on all of us – especially in areas where we are a small minority like Mayport, PA and New Bethlehem, PA
1:17:30 It wont take much to push us back a couple of decades.
1:17:58 If we remember all the way back to the crucades, this is the same argument: standing our ground! That worked out not well.
1:18:55 Don’t learn to swim in shark-infested waters.
1:19:10 We have the initiative now to make big changes. Unfortunately, many doing those changes on a local level are doing it backwards. We should be role models when “leading the way”
1:20:10 Coup d’Etat with regards to Pagan leaders
1:21:00 PCP as a counterbalance to Pagan events.
1:22:55 Rebuttal to “PCP should stop spreading ridicule”
1:23:45 Where did the DND reference come from?
1:26:15 Just because we don’t talk about being persecuted and how hard everything is, doesn’t mean we’re playing DND
1:27:00 Gods say Mystics Cove Pagan Network’s Beltane ritual was immature
1:28:28 Response to the uninformed statement that we’re all the same.
1:29:15 Just because beliefs are different, doesn’t mean those beliefs are correct.
1:30:40 Response to the threat of 3-fold.
1:32:15 Maybe their being attacked was 3-fold by the gods in return for their arrogance.
1:33:27 If you knew how God worked, you would have better things to do than sending such a silly email.
1:33:56 Magic is often mis-interpreted, it’s about getting closer to the divine
1:34:25 Why do people want to be “right?”
1:35:30 Paganism is a lonely path, but a more personal path as well.
1:37:02 We heard the word Fundieville from Bob, but he’s not criticized because he’s older.
1:37:30 Bob is respectable
1:36:31 Our first Final Thoughts segment ever!
1:46:20 Why PCP is a Pagan Leader’s worst nightmare