Pagan Centered Podcast – Episode 71 – Initiation

2009
11.18

Download Episode

Back to listing
2:49 Magda Writes:I was wondering if there has been a show about initiated pagans versus non initiated pagans. I know there was a topic about elitist groups and the covens, but recently I saw a topic on a board about people who self dedicate and claim to be so and so pagan but aren’t officially initiated. There was talk about how its not fair for someone to claim a certain religion and not be initiated. This raised the question about how does a solitary practitioner who doesn’t have any access to covens or groves in their area get initiated legitimately and if it is necessary.

It became a sore topic for me because there seemed to be a lot of people that looked down on pagans that didn’t go through initiations. I know there are some groups that don’t require it, and there are those that request payment. I was wondering if that is even fair to request payment for initiation rituals.
4:53 Initiation vs. Proper Initiation
6:40 Initiation by the gods
7:24 Faking initiation by following the faith
7:48 The point of initiation as a process rather than a ritual
8:30 Faking initiation to just be heard by those who refuse to listen to the unitiated
9:15 Be ready to back up claims of initiation
9:35 We need more outreach rather than folks closing themselves off from the uninitiated
10:25 Why are some folks so adament about the initiation thing?
11:11 Unintentional elitism
12:00 Initiation as a weeding-out process
12:15 The initiation controversy in Wicca
12:47 Initiation does not denote intelligence nor knowledge
13:00 How do you know someone is faking initiation?
13:31 Gods should give out “not full of crap” certificates, but even that would be subject to abuse
14:24 Ley lines vs. Brain Chemistry
16:45 Are ley lines a combination of the physical and metaphysical?
18:15 What are ley lines?
19:00 What can alter brain activity?
19:35 Radio station analogy for ley lines
20:34 Lunar influence on human behavior
21:55 Ley lines do automatic purification?
22:15 People who live on a ley line vs. those who don’t
23:15 Why are Houstonians so mellow?
23:55 People from Western PA look funny
25:00 Teleporting in circles
26:46 Magda Writes Regarding Episode 68Regarding Dragon’s Blood, this is what I found on a website:

Traditionally burned for love, protection, exorcism, and sexual potency. The dried resin is believed to be a powerful protectant when carried, sprinkled around the house, or smoldered as incense and has been used to drive evil and negativity away when burned.

I also read that its supposed to quiet a noisy house and also cure impotency.

place basically saying the same thing and adding something else.

Dragon’s Blood is great for protection, to drive away evil and negativity. This blend is a very powerful uncrossing incense. Dragons Blood can be used anytime to clear negative vibrations while establishing positive ones. Dragon’s Blood Incense is also helpful for working to increase magickal power, and potency. It is a well known Love Incense. Legend has it, that it will help to attract an errant lover to return, as well.

Hey the author of Essential Asatru also wrote and co wrote some of the Avalon books. Ravens of Avalon, Priestess of Avalon, Ancestors of Avalon and so on. Quite interesting.
27:05 Our thoughts go out to Father Jim
28:34 Lots of folks find us on Pagan Radio Network
29:10 Creating a Pagan Group, why not do this?
32:21 Remember, when running a Pagan group, you’ll need to accommodate folks like Mark
33:20 Why Magic the Gathering doesn’t work for Magic
34:14 Metaphysical MacGyverism vs. Fluffdom
35:07 Be mindful when you are looking silly.